It’s funny OP because I’m pretty sure you’d whine about it regardless and don’t pretend for a second you wouldn’t.

And what do you have to say about this?

Or this

Or this

Or this

Do you also have a problem with those or does it just bother you when it’s a woman?

One of MGSs defining traits is literally having absurd character design and costumes whenever they can get away with it, and there’s often a weird sexual undercurrent to EVERYTHING.

It’s funny because Hideo Kojoma doesn’t give a single fuck.

Just one thing in the midst of all this whining: Tell me about the character who had a very similar condition to Quiet’s, if not the same one. I know for a fact there was another character like her, who breathed through his skin or photosynthesized or something like that. What was he wearing?

Another thing, actually - so tell me about the endless stream of video games I can play where the dudes look like Snake in this here list of pictures. Because Quiet doesn’t look very different from most action girls in games, in my experience. But Snake and Raiden here are worlds apart from other men in other games in terms of their design.

The point about MGS being so sexually charged in its designs of all characters is valid, but it doesn’t really trump the first point I’m trying to make here.

Did literally all of the rebuttals above completely miss the point that Quiet’s costume doesn’t fit her backstory at all? “She needs to have as much skin exposed as possible or she’ll die” doesn’t work as an in-story justification when her clothing doesn’t fit that justification. This is what we call arguing in bad faith: a refusal to actually engage with the point that’s being made. (And on a side note, if you haven’t seen Jim Sterling’s recent Jimquisition video about this, go do so. Thank God for him.)

There’s one thing I’d also like to point out (credit to Jim Sterling TG4H though, he’s the one who pointed it out first) and that’s that even if you can dress Snake up shirtless in TPP (which, I have to say is hardly equivalent to Quiet’s getup, but whatever) you have to earn that. You don’t get it at the beginning, and it’s certainly not the default.

With Quiet, that’s the default, and you have no choice from the beginning. If you want normal clothes on her that will make her look like the badass sniper she’s supposed to be, you have to earn it in game after you (I believe) earn her gold and silver costume variants. And even then, if I’m not mistaken, she goes right back to her normal gear for cutscenes, so it’s not even like you get it all the time anyway.

EDIT: It should also be pointed out that many of the costumes and scenes with male sexualization is done for comedic effect, and isn’t necessarily meant to be titillating. For Quiet, though, the camera lovingly focuses on her body in certain cutscenes, and the situations she’s in aren’t meant to be comedic at all.

OBJECTION.

You can immediately strip Snake’s top off. It may not be default but you don’t need to unlock it as an option.

ANOTHER OBJECTION!

The character you’re talking about that shares Quiet’s “condition”. I’d like to refute that.

Quiet breathes through her skin and eats through photosynthesis. Her lungs are burnt to a crisp. That’s why she breathes through her skin. The guy you’re talking about DOESN’T breathe through his skin. He only does the photosynthesis thing! SO HAH!

Also. If Quiet’s XOF armour is unlockable and she can wear it, then what’s the issue? Doesn’t that fix the whole problem? All you need to do is git gud.

I’d like to say.. Quiet IS a badass sniper REGARDLESS of what she wears.
She can wear a pink tutu and still be badass. Just because she’s wearing a bikini doesn’t make her a less-skilled sniper.

Gotta judge people based on their actions and merits, m80. Judgin’ a book by their cover? Tsk. o u o

There’s only TWO scantily clad characters in TPP (as far as I know.). It’s Quiet and the Sniper Skulls. The rest of the female characters are wearing normal shit. I think you are focusing on the negatives here. You have to look at the bigger picture.

(Three, if you think wearing nothing but bandages because you’re in the hospital counts as ‘scantily clad’.)

“OBJECTION.You can immediately strip Snake’s top off. It may not be default but you don’t need to unlock it as an option.”

Your “it may not be default” comment here is an admission that you have to resort to the rhetorical equivalent of plea bargaining in order to find a suitable rationalization. The criticism is that for Quiet, it’s default. For Big Boss, it isn’t.

The reason this is an issue is that when you make one character design the default, then the audience is going to associate that design with the character. If I were to ask a random person to picture Mario, they’re not going to think of his alternate costume from N.E.S. Open

.“I’d like to say.. Quiet IS a badass sniper REGARDLESS of what she wears.
She can wear a pink tutu and still be badass. Just because she’s wearing a bikini doesn’t make her a less-skilled sniper.

Gotta judge people based on their actions and merits, m80. Judgin’ a book by their cover? Tsk. o u o”

Nobody’s criticizing how much of a badass sniper she is, they’re criticizing her visual design. Replying with “well she’s a badass sniper so her visual design doesn’t matter” does nothing to address whether her visual design is good or not.

“ANOTHER OBJECTION!The character you’re talking about that shares Quiet’s “condition”. I’d like to refute that.Quiet breathes through her skin and eats through photosynthesis. Her lungs are burnt to a crisp. That’s why she breathes through her skin. The guy you’re talking about DOESN’T breathe through his skin. He only does the photosynthesis thing! SO HAH!”

All this actually proves is that the creators could have written Quiet so that her lungs weren’t burnt to a crisp and it would be exactly as believable as The End from MGS3.

“Also. If Quiet’s XOF armour is unlockable and she can wear it, then what’s the issue? Doesn’t that fix the whole problem? All you need to do is git gud.”

But it does mean that Quiet’s normal design is going to be the one that’s associated with her by most players, media outlets, advertisements, etc.

“There’s only TWO scantily clad characters in TPP (as far as I know.). It’s Quiet and the Sniper Skulls. The rest of the female characters are wearing normal shit. I think you are focusing on the negatives here. You have to look at the bigger picture.

(Three, if you think wearing nothing but bandages because you’re in the hospital counts as ‘scantily clad’.)“

Another red herring argument. This criticism is about Quiet specifically, and whether there are other characters who are better-designed doesn’t do anything to address that criticism.I have to say though, what baffles me most about these knee-jerk defenses of Quiet’s design in Metal Gear Solid is that it’s apparent that it relies entirely on not being willing to actually understand the point that critics are making, and moreover they seem to reject the idea that it could be better, which makes no sense to me.

TL;DR: In MGS, female sexuality is used to titillate, male sexuality is used to disturb.

One word: Boob physics. Try to justify that.

Give me glistening ass shots of male protagonists, jiggle physics for their junk and contrived backstories before trying to defend Kojima