So trans women aren’t female…. Well that a load of shit.

Nope, transwomen are male (sex), y chromosome and all. Gender identity, hormones + surgery doesn’t change that.

That’s ignorant and hurtful

It’s biology, it’s not there to harm you, unlike gender.

By that logic transmen are okay in your “female” only safe places but not transwomen…. Do you not see how ridiculous that is!

Transmen are affected by female socialization, and female body issues, and are targets of misogyny up until the point of passing. if they want to be included in female spaces they should be allowed, if they don’t, they don’t have to.

Sex based oppression exists, we should be allowed to have separate spaces to discuss those issues that affect all females, regardless of gender identity.

I agree and a transwoman is no less a female than you. In fact in a way they are more so being as they have to fight for there right to be seen as female and weren’t born into it. I’m tired of people excluding others based on there own beliefs and then turning around and making it seem as if the excluded party is the one causing the issue.

Males are not females and they will never be.

Women are allowed to have spaces to themselves.

Would people stop with the transwomen are more women than women bullshit, yet another go-to insult when they cannot respond effectively to an argument?

It’s nauseating, false, and beyond offensive that you would try to wrest from my hands the girlhood and womanhood I’ve suffered since the day my parents got the ultrasound and it was discovered I had a vulva.

My asshole is more capable of critical thinking and logical deductions than these folks.

I don’t always reblog these kind of debates because I know it can be triggering for my more sensitive followers, but this is actually a discussion I’ve brought up on a facebook group I’m a part of for feminism, as a transgendered person.

Community spaces are important. They are very, very, VERY important and I would argue that the lack of community inclusion is an extremely legitimate issue and a big factor for ongoing dysphoria for even those post-transition (aside from societal factors, of course). Communities wherein both biologically female and female identifying people can gather together, share their lived experiences, and feel unity with one another is such a massive part of our mental health and in gathering strength together against one oppressive force. If there were a group of biological males I could sit with that would welcome me as though I was entirely and irrevocably on the same level as them, that would arguably bring down my dysphoria greatly and make me feel more wanted and in place in the world.

However, spaces for only afab people also need to exist. There is a specific type of lived experience that comes with that, that is unique to them. This is also similar to how we need trans only spaces. We need spaces that are only for lots of people, only for jewish, only for those with disabilities, only for intersex people, only for people of specific ethnicity, only for lesbians, only for gays. We need these spaces that are, technically, “exclusionary” to exist, because these are all groups of people with lived experiences that are very specific to them. I have multiple types of chronic illness and it mirrors many symptoms of cancer, but I do not have cancer, and I would not go into a group for people who only have cancer talking about how similar I am to them and how we have the same issues to a tee– we don’t. But, I would go to a group for people who simply face chronic illness in general, where people with disability similar to mine as well as people with cancer can go, and that would be really helpful to me because I could connect with lots of types of people and find unity on a broader spectrum as well.

Biological women wanting their own space is not an attack on us. I’d love to also be in a group for biological women but, hey, if they find me too trans for that and aren’t comfortable with someone like me there, that is their right. This is not a hindrance on the progression of equality and equity, this is a measure taken to help ensure that groups of people can connect with people of the same lived experience. If you can agree that a ciswoman doesn’t know what its like to be a transwoman and the plight that you face, then you should also realize that similarly you don’t know the lived experience of a ciswoman.

I understand the hostility though, I really do. There are so, so many people that are just flatly transphobic and terrible about these things, and there REALLY IS such a HUGE lack of community spaces as well that I do think we are in dire need of. We DO need those spaces where ciswomen and transwomen alike can get together and share experiences, unity, comfort, solidarity. I understand when there is such a lack of that, how being reminded that there are people that don’t want you in these groups that you so desperately want/need to be involved in, hurts. It hurts a lot. But they need that, just like we need trans only spaces. We need our own spaces, for our own specific lived experiences, just as much as we need communal spaces.

The last comment was summed up beautifully